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GENE
yongjin78@hotmail.com
05/08/2009 15:15:17
Re: Re: Manual Worker

May i know the definition of 'Manual Worker'?
Is it Quality Control is categorised as Manual Worker?
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CK
05/08/2009 15:49:08
Manual work is physical work done with the hands, especially in an unskilled job such as fruit and vegetable picking, road building, or any other field where the work may be considered physically arduous, and which has a profitable objective, usually the production of goods.

Not sure. Does it lead to discrimination at work?
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KL Siew
05/08/2009 16:15:17
Gene, let me be more specific. Since you wanted to know the definition, you can get it at
http://pesaraonline.net/1stschedule.htm The part pertaining to manual labour is as follow:

"2. Any person who, irrespective of the amount of wages he earns in a month, has entered into a contract of service with an employer in pursuance of which

(1) he is engaged in manual labour including such labour as an artisan or apprentice;

Provided that where a person is employed by one employer partly in manual labour and partly in some other capacity such person shall not be deemed to be performing manual labour unless the time during which he is required to perform manual labour in any one wage period exceeds one-half of the total time during which he is required to work to such wage period;

(2) he is engaged in the operation or maintenance of any mechanically propelled vehicle operated for the transport of passengers or goods or for reward or for commercial purposes;

(3) he supervises or oversees other employees engaged in manual labour employed by the same employer in and throughout the performance of their work; "

On the question of "quality control", the answer cannot be a simple yes or no. Quality control is quite a varied field. The quality control for each product may required different know-how or knowledge. An employee who is engaged just to check for cracks or defects in a product may not required special knowledge or training whereas one who is required to check for defects in some high-tech products may required special training or knowledge. So, one may say the former is manual labour while the later is not. It is all based on facts and arguable

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steve
05/08/2009 16:43:52
manual worker is physical work done with the hands
so how about the work done by computer /brain. what we call that?
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GENE
05/08/2009 16:52:06
Actually my case is i can claim the O.T RM8/hrs from 6~8pm but 5~6pm is not entitled to claim the O.T. But production worker can claim X1.5 basic salary. Is it company have the right to this kind of unfair O.T rate?
Me under Quality Control Department. The HR explaination is my job is categorised as Non-manual Worker.

Is it correct?
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KL Siew
05/08/2009 17:06:32
To Gene. That's why I said "arguable". What you can do is to get a ruling from the Labour Department. Let them know all the facts about your work.

To Steve. That may be a bit over simplified. A surgeon uses hands, a butcher also uses hands. But you can't say the surgeon is a manual worker. You type at a computer with your hands but what you typed into it required your knowledge rather than with just your fingers.
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gene
05/08/2009 17:50:59
Hi Siew,
Thanks for your explaination.

But the question is surgeon can't do the butcher job, butcher also can't do the surgeon job. Both have their own knowlegde. Whether we can say butcher is non-manual worker? Butcher cut the meat with hands but how to cut the meat nicely required butcher knowledge/experience rather than with just butcher finger.
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KL Siew
05/08/2009 20:42:00
True, he can be a highly skilled master butcher and we may not want to say he is just a manual worker. All this bases on facts and can be quite controversial.
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CK
05/08/2009 22:44:42
Perhaps the term "manual worker" shall not include professionals who require a specific licence or membership of a professional association in order to practise his/her work. Therefore, professionals such as doctor, lawyer and accountant can only open a partnership "firm", but not a commercial private or public "Limited Company".

Blue collar and white collar are more commonly used to differentiate manual worker and so-called brain worker in the commercial companies.
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steve
06/08/2009 09:05:39
hi siew,
can you let me know the nearest Labour Department at JB?
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KL Siew
06/08/2009 11:24:16
Try http://pesaraonline.net/tel-departments.htm
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